
Susan Lloyd-Hurwitz talks National Housing Supply and Affordability Council
In this Viewpoint interview for 漫天堂入口News, we spoke with Susan Lloyd-Hurwitz, chair of the National Housing Supply and Affordability Council and the CEO of Mirvac Group, to understand how the Council will help Government to deliver new housing supply.
18 Sep 2023
As part of its election promises to improve housing affordability across Australia, the Commonwealth Government has created the National Housing Supply and Affordability Council. As an independent statutory advisory body, the Council will inform the Commonwealth鈥檚 approach to housing policy by delivering independent advice on options to improve housing supply and affordability.
How important is the Council?
鈥楾he Council is important, but it鈥檚 only a small part of a very complex system.鈥
鈥業t鈥檚 not an exaggeration to say we are in a housing a crisis鈥, says Susan.
鈥榃e鈥檝e got a really difficult situation which has been decades in the making. It鈥檚 a collective problem in need of a collective solution.鈥 鈥榃e need the whole system to work. We need market housing because if market housing becomes less and less affordable it just pushes people down the chain. It used to be aspirational to move out of social housing but now that doesn鈥檛 happen. We need the whole system to be fixed so we鈥檝e got different housing types in different locations at different price points close to amenities, close to jobs.鈥
What does the Council do?
鈥楾he Council exists to provide evidence-based advice to the federal Housing Minister鈥, says Susan. 鈥楢dvice can flow in two ways: one way is to provide advice the Minister asks us for or that we鈥檙e tasked to do under the legislation, and the other is to proactively advise on items that we feel as a council we would like to provide advice on.鈥
As well as providing advice directly targeted at developing new and affordable housing policies and strategies, the Council has other important roles supporting Government.
鈥楾he goal is to have one repository of data,鈥 says Susan. The next bit of work we鈥檙e about to embark on is the 鈥楽tate of the housing market鈥 report, which has moved from NHFIC (the National Housing Finance and Investment Corporation) to the Council. Where previously NHFIC produced that report every year, now the Council is embarking on delivering that report next year.鈥
The Council is also working alongside the Department of Social Services (DSS) in the development of the 10-year National Housing and Homelessness Plan.
鈥楾he Council has a large part to play in helping guide and review the inputs into that Plan because DSS鈥檚 remit is clearly around social housing and where there are social services and support required鈥, says Susan. 鈥楾he broader market including affordable and 鈥榓t market鈥 housing, the whole system really, is something more than DSS鈥檚 day job. So, we鈥檝e got a significant role to play in reviewing the draft issues paper, the draft report, we鈥檒l provide input into different sections of that report.鈥
The Council is also in the early days of developing a supply and demand model for how housing works in Australia.
How does the Council work on a day-to-day basis?
鈥楾he Council is supported by a very talented group of people who work in Treasury,鈥 says Susan. 鈥業t includes data scientists, analysts, researchers, writers and a secretariat. They鈥檙e separate from the rest of Treasury, but it鈥檚 a model that has been set up to maximise the effectiveness and lower the cost of running the Council.鈥
鈥榃e鈥檙e supposed to meet six times a year, I think we鈥檝e already met way more than that in the first six months because people have a genuine desire to make a difference. The council doesn鈥檛 want to sit there and be light touch, it鈥檚 a really 鈥渞oll your sleeves up鈥 type of council of people. There鈥檚 a real appetite for doing real work and not just being a review body or a talk fest.鈥
The benefits of diverse views in the Council
鈥極ne of the things I appreciate about the council is the genuine diversity of people on the council鈥, says Susan. 鈥榃e have people who have been involved in local government, there are people who have been involved in women鈥檚 refuges, we鈥檝e got planning experts, we鈥檝e got academics, we鈥檝e got me as a practitioner for the last 10 years; really diverse views, which makes for really examining issues from all sorts of angles. It鈥檚 actually one of the most diverse groups of people that I鈥檝e ever worked with, and it really demonstrates that diverse groups do make better decisions because there are genuinely things people say in the council meeting where I think I鈥檝e never thought of the problem from that perspective before ever.鈥
The first Council advice report
The first advice report that the Council was asked to give to the Minister has just been released (in early mid-September 2023).
鈥楾he first thing that the council was tasked under the legislation to provide to the Housing Minister was a report on the barriers to institutional investment in housing in Australia鈥, says Susan. 鈥楢ustralian institutions invest in what鈥檚 called Build to rent in the UK quite happily but why is that the superannuation funds do not invest in it here?鈥
鈥榃e know from the UK that the right policy settings can significantly increase the provision of secure rental stock owned by institutions for long term income. That sector in the UK has grown from 拢10 billion in 2012 to 拢43 billion today: in a decade, they鈥檝e put 拢30 billion to work creating new rental stock in secure rental housing formats.鈥
The report has made 11 proposals that the Council believes will stimulate institutional investing in Australian housing.
鈥業n the UK, the government provided government guaranteed loans for 50 per cent of the construction cost, and then they provided a government guarantee for financing in the operational phase of the asset. They also made some changes to how proposals could be assessed by the government to make explicit the value of providing social and affordable housing, so essentially a form of inclusionary zoning.鈥
鈥榃e also see there鈥檚 a role for more financial aggregators in the market. There鈥檚 NHFIC as an aggregator that will funnel the $500 million a year into the community housing providers but there鈥檚 probably a role for private commercial aggregators as well. There are attempts in the superannuation funds to start their own aggregators, pooling together their funds, to act together to defuse the risk of an emerging industry.鈥
Susan Lloyd-Hurwitz to speak at 2023 漫天堂入口National Housing Conference
Susan Lloyd-Hurwitz will be a key speaker at the , being held in Brisbane from Tuesday 10 October to Thursday 12 October. To find out more, please visit the .